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  BETHEL COMPUTER SYSTEMS BEING UPGRADED!!!!!!!!!!

  by badboy in

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  i understand from a board member that they are upgrading the computers at bethel!

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  Depends which Bethel and which System
  
  The Brooklyn uses 4 separate networks - Publishing control, Back Office, Finance and Service Desk. The service Desk is the high secure one. The Service desk has a gateway for the specialised shepherding arrangement which is located remotely.
  
  PAtterson has a 4 server network for Publishing Control. A single RAID server for BackOffice that interfaces and duels with Brooklyn. Finance have been running the same system for years (Windows NT secure network systems)
  
  London Bethel runs 3 Server single network for Publishing, a duel servier for Backoffice which integrates accounts and Finance. Again the Service Desk is totally secure and has a separate gateway, they used a dedicated Kilostream (Nx64K)to the remote systems u8ntil 18 months ago, now they use Secure static IP ADSL systems.
  
  As with all large corp systems, each backs up to the hard drive of another - in other words they negate the possibility of Single point failure. They use Static IP secure networks ADSL for this.
  
  If its true that a new system is being installed, then that is either the finance system in Patterson OR the new computers needed for the presses - but that intgrates into the older Publishing control network anyway
  
  Jim
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  Was John Lennon's Half-Sister really a JW?

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  first off, let me say that i had no idea that lennon had any other siblings.

  it is not something that jumps out at you when reading any of the biographies or history books (kinda like finding out about jesus' brothers and sisters!).

  so when a friend of mine told me that he had a sister named julia, i thought she was having me on.. .

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  Julia Bird used to go to the Birkennhead Claughton Congregation and then moved to Wallasey (Gordy can help here) She then moved to Neston and went to the Heswall Congregation. She now sometimes goes to the Chester Northgate Congregation as she till lives in Neston.Her husband (when she went to Claughton) was a greengrocer in Morton. She was never "in the truth" per se, but she used to associate strongly with them. Very friendly with the Douglas's in Wallasey, the Christians and also the Birds and the Crawfords in Claughton - which is where I know her from. A really nice lady and one of lifes gentle people Jim
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  Were Jehovahs Witness like the Nazi's and would have worked for Hitler?

  by Jim Dee in

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  in the book auschwitz - the nazis and the "final solution" by laurence rees publised 2005. isbn 0-563-52296-8 page 210 to 212 states the following:-

  for many, like else abt, believed auschwitz was a test: 'i'd read in the bible the story of abraham.

  and he was told to sacrifice his son.

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  In the Book Auschwitz - The Nazis and the "Final Solution" by Laurence Rees Publised 2005. ISBN 0-563-52296-8 pAGE 210 TO 212 States the Following:- For many, like Else Abt, believed Auschwitz was a test: 'I'd read in the Bible the story of Abraham. And he was told to sacrifice his son. And the Bible says he was willing to do it.But then our creator Jehovah saw that he was willing to and so he didn't allow it. He just wanted to test his faith. And that's what I thought.' And so the German Jehovah's Witnesses became the perfect house-servants for SS officers at Auschwitz - much preferred to Poles, who were used only when there weren't enough Witnesses to go around. Else Abt worked in the home of one of the senior SS members, his wife and their small daughter. She cleared the house, cooked their meals and looked after their little girl. Her attitude was: 'It wasn't the child's fault [that she was in Auschwitz]. It wasn't the wife's fault.' She performed her duties conscientiously and with compassion, even devotedly nursing the little girl when she fell sick and earning the thanks of her parents. It was scarcely any wonder, then, that the Jehovah's Witnesses were the prisoners Rudolf Hoess liked best, and not just because of their trouble-free behaviour. He had first come into contact with them in substantial numbers at Sachsenhausen in the late 1930s, when they were sent to the camp for refusing to do military service. Hoess records the extraordinary power of their belief, something that made a huge impression on him. When they were flogged because they did not conform to the rules of the camp he says that, far from begging for mercy, they asked to be thrashed again so that they could suffer more for their faith. He witnessed the execution of two Witnesses by firing squad, and was astonished to see that they held their hands up to the sky with blissful expressions as they awaited their fate. Hoess imagined that the early Christian martyrs must have gone to their deaths the same way. The behaviour of the Jehovah's Witnesses had a huge impact not just on Hoess, but on his superior officers as well. 'On many occasions,' Hoess records, 'Himmler as well as Eicke offered the fanatical faith of the Jehovah's Witnesses as an example. SS men must have the same fanatical and unshakeable faith in the National Socialist ideal and in Adolf Hitler that the Witnesses had in Jehovah. Only when all SS men believed as fanatically in their own philosophy would Adolf Hitler's state be permanently secure.'39 At Auschwitz, Hoess and his wife employed two Jehovah's Witnesses in their own house, and were touched by the care they lavished on their children. Hoess describes many of the Witnesses as 'wonderful beings' Significantly, Hoess also records that he believes the Witnesses felt it was 'right' that the Jews should be exterminated, as their ancestors had been the ones who had handed Jesus over to be killed; this, however, is an attitude of mind that Else Abt denies. She believed that the SS were doing wrong - serving a 'demon' - by murdering the Jews. However, she thought she should show her own faith by her 'attitude'. This created an odd situation. She was faithfully, almost lovingly, looking after the daughter of an SS officer at Auschwitz, whilst the Nazis denied her access to her own little girl. She explains how she attempted to rationalise her circumstances by saying she felt she had to 'do good for any person', including members of the SS. Indeed, she admits that she would have would have worked dutifully in Hitler's house had she been told to. And to add further to this complex mix she could walk away from the camp and to her daughter at any moment she chose, just by signing a paper that stated she had renounced her faith. But she never signed: 'That would have meant compromise I never did it’ In a further twist to this strange story, when Else Abt was able to return home after the war she discovered her little girl had been looked after by one of the few JW’s who had renounced their faith in order to gain freedom. 'We came to visit him and his wife because they had brought up our daughter, and he cried like a little child because he was a coward.' Else Abt was not particularly grateful to him for taking care of her daughter because 'I wasmn’t worried [about her]. There would always been people who would have helped. We weren't dependent on one person "0vr creator knows to send us what we need, when we need it - and will always intervene.' Her daughter became a Jehovahs Witness herself. As a result, Else Abt says, she knew and was happy that I stayed faithful - not to a human being but to our creator Jehovah, because he looked out for us as I found out during my time in Auschwitz. He is able to change all people. People that hated us started to think and stopped hating us - quite the opposite, in fact.' To those who lacked that certainty of faith expressed by Else Abt, it is hard to see how a creator was 'looking out' for the Jehovahs Witnesses whom Hoess describes as being shot in Sachsenhausen. Nor does he seem to have been 'looking out’ for the Poles, Soviet prisoners, the sick, Jews and countless others who lost their lives so cruelly at Auschwitz. But one of intriguing aspects of the theological position taken by Else Abt is that such atrocities are immediately explicable to her, simply evidence of the will of a higher power whom we cannot fully understand but in whom we must have absolute faith. If God permits this to happen, then it is for a reason; it is just that we do not yet fully understand what that reason is. One must be careful of making an immediate and glib comparison, as Himmler did, between this attitude of mind and the fanaticism of the Nazis; not least because Jehovah's Witnesses, unlike the Nazis, believe in treating people with compassion and kindness. Nonetheless, if one substitutes 'Hitler' for 'Jehovah' in Else Abt's testimony, the words do bear a striking resemblance to the ideological position taken by SS men like Hoess. NOTE THE STATEMENTS Nonetheless, if one substitutes 'Hitler' for 'Jehovah' in Else Abt's testimony, the words do bear a striking resemblance to the ideological position taken by SS men like Hoess(Hoess was the Head of the Concentration Camp) 'Himmler as well as Eickman offered the fanatical faith of the Jehovah's Witnesses as an example. SS men must have the same fanatical and unshakeable faith in the National Socialist ideal and in Adolf Hitler that the Witnesses had in Jehovah. Indeed, she admits that she would have would have worked dutifully in Hitler's house had she been told to. I also noted the Authors comments that:- To those who lacked that certainty of faith expressed by Else Abt, it is hard to see how a creator was 'looking out' for the Jehovahs Witnesses whom Hoess describes as being shot in Sachsenhausen. Nor does he seem to have been 'looking out’ for the Poles, Soviet prisoners, the sick, Jews and countless others who lost their lives so cruelly at Auschwitz. ========================================================================================== Food for thought indeed - especially when one ex Nazi d"Herr Van Oven described the 3rd Reich as "Paradise" (Page 9 of the Book)
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  JW Pioneer - Andrew Spicer - suicide in Shrewsbury - UK???

  by Jim Dee in

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  there is a lot of cover up going on in the uk at the moment.

  letters from the society etc to shrewbury conga and some of the kent congs.. one andrew spicer, pioneer who married early april 2005 in a kent congregation moved to shrewsbury area with his new wife to pioneer.

  by 22 may 2005 he was dead.

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  I beleive he visited a few congs in the Telford area before settling on the Shrewsbury area, but thats all I know about his Midlands connections

  The society are afraid that when the matter comes to the coroners court, the papers will get hold of it and Jehovahs name will be blackened, hence the active cover-up disguised as "Caring and not gossiping, giving a good witness etc etc"

  The real issue here is protection of the corporate image and protection of funds. Should reporters at the coroners court become aware that this person was a pioneer and active witness then all publicity (aka Mr Paul Gilles in London Bethel will have something to do again) will break loose.

  What of the families? They are broken people, shamed and rejected when they need love and care from Gods "loving" organisation - all the protect the society.

  Where is the society when their members need protection? - Nowhere

  Jim
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  JW Pioneer - Andrew Spicer - suicide in Shrewsbury - UK???

  by Jim Dee in

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  there is a lot of cover up going on in the uk at the moment.

  letters from the society etc to shrewbury conga and some of the kent congs.. one andrew spicer, pioneer who married early april 2005 in a kent congregation moved to shrewsbury area with his new wife to pioneer.

  by 22 may 2005 he was dead.

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  There is a lot of cover up going on in the UK at the moment. Letters from the society etc to Shrewbury conga and some of the Kent congs.

  One Andrew Spicer, Pioneer who married early April 2005 in a Kent Congregation moved to Shrewsbury area with his new wife to Pioneer. By 22 May 2005 he was dead. No coroners court has been yet held (Can take up to 6 months, however the society have issued instruction amongst the Kent congs as well as the Shrewsbury congs to keep the suicide under wraps, (no gossipping, keep the name of the truth clean etc etc). I spoke to the local registrars office and they have knowledge of the incident

  The alledged suicide apparently was on the railway tracks.

  Why did this happen? who knows. The society have given little comfort, the local congregation hate his name and everyone is trying to cover this tragedy up. Blacked the victim name and keep the congregations name clean

  Watch this space - or does anyone have any more knowledge of this

  Jim
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  A big problem for JW's in the UK?

  by Jim Dee in

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  from the sky news web site - 23.06.05giving the cold shoulderdoorstep salesmen who cold-call are to be targeted with the launch of a new scheme banning them from certain areas.

  residents who feel harassed by their tactics will work with police to create no-entry zones for them under a plan by the trading standards institute.. .

  the no-go zones could cover anything from a street to an entire estate and will also help combat so-called "distraction burglaries", which have been linked to cold-calling.. persistent doorstep sellers would then be reported to the authorities for follow-up action.. ron gainsford, chief executive of the institute, said: "people are sick and tired of uninvited doorstep callers.

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  From the Sky News Web Site - 23.06.05

  GIVING THE COLD SHOULDER

  Doorstep salesmen who cold-call are to be targeted with the launch of a new scheme banning them from certain areas.

  Residents who feel harassed by their tactics will work with police to create no-entry zones for them under a plan by the Trading Standards Institute.

  The no-go zones could cover anything from a street to an entire estate and will also help combat so-called "distraction burglaries", which have been linked to cold-calling.

  Persistent doorstep sellers would then be reported to the authorities for follow-up action.

  Ron Gainsford, Chief Executive of the institute, said: "People are sick and tired of uninvited doorstep callers.

  "We are particularly concerned about those who use it as a front for criminal activity.

  "We hope the Government will act soon to introduce stronger laws - but in the meantime communities can do something for themselves, with our help."

  The watchdog has mounted a campaign calling for in new laws tackling uninvited salesmen who turn up at properties offering maintenance, gardening and repair services.

  Similar schemes piloted in some parts of Cambridgeshire over the past two years saw distraction burglaries drop by 11% in that period.

  An institute survey carried out in 2003 showed that 96% of the 9,000 people questioned did not want doorstep sellers turning up uninvited.

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  Interesting what!!!

  Jim
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  The book Crisis of Conscience

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  i've just finished reading this book

  i was brought up in the society, seen the elder arrangement brought in, seen changes and in fighting - and finally sttof down as a snr circuit elder in england because of the abuse issue and the society covering up.

  i have also the seen the society flee and cya because of the data protection act in the uk.

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  I've just finished reading this book I was brought up in the society, seen the elder arrangement brought in, seen changes and in fighting - and finally sttof down as a Snr Circuit Elder in England because of the abuse issue and the society covering up. I have also the seen the society flee and CYA because of the Data Protection Act in the UK. Seen them twist and turn on leagalise rather than righteousness. I hated the society for the way they turned their blindness into "blame the abused" - but part of me said "they have many things right". But this book has opened my eyes. What a fool I have been. Even though Franz is a bitter, bitter man, nevertheless it has been like the scales falling from my eyes. What a fool I have been. I am intelligent, degree educated and run a large multi national corporation - yet I was thoroughly deceived. When I resigned as an Elder because of the way they reacted over child abuse in my congregation - just covered it up on offical policy - I still believed. I helped change may policies and leaked inside information - deep inside information - to both this board and others. Yet deep inside I thought they would change. What an idiot I am. How could I have been so foolish? How could I have fallen for such a lie? Jim
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  The book Crisis of Conscience

  by Jim Dee in

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  i've just finished reading this book

  i was brought up in the society, seen the elder arrangement brought in, seen changes and in fighting - and finally sttof down as a snr circuit elder in england because of the abuse issue and the society covering up.

  i have also the seen the society flee and cya because of the data protection act in the uk.

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  I've just finished reading this book I was brought up in the society, seen the elder arrangement brought in, seen changes and in fighting - and finally sttof down as a Snr Circuit Elder in England because of the abuse issue and the society covering up. I have also the seen the society flee and CYA because of the Data Protection Act in the UK. Seen them twist and turn on leagalise rather than righteousness. I hated the society for the way they turned their blindness into "blame the abused" - but part of me said "they have many things right". But this book has opened my eyes. What a fool I have been even though Franz is a bitter, bitter man, nevertheless it has been like the scales falling from my eyes. What a fool I have been. I am intelligent, degree educated and run a large multi national corporation - yet I was thoroughly deceived. When I resigned as an Elder because of the way they reacted over child abuse in my congregation - just covered it up on offical policy - I still believed. I helped change may policies and leaked inside information - deep inside information - to both this board and others. Yet deep inside I thought they would change. What an idiot I am. How could I have been so foolish? How could I have fallen for such a lie? Jim
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  Note from Companies house re the breakdown of WTBS in the UK

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  note from companies house re the breakdown of wtbs in the uk

  watch tower house the ridgeway

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  Note from Companies house re the breakdown of WTBS in the UK

  Current Appointments Report for:

  WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF BRITAIN

  03858051

  Created: 14/04/2005

  Company Register Information

  Company Number:	03858051	Incorporated on: 08/10/1999
  Company Name:	WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF BRITAIN
  Registered Office:	IBSA HOUSE
  	THE RIDGEWAY
  	LONDON
  	NW7 1RN
  Company Type:	PRI/LBG/NSC/S.30 (Private, limited by guarantee, no share capital, section 30 of the Companies Act)
  Country of Origin:	United Kingdom
  Status:	Active
  Nature Of Business (SIC(92)):	2213 - Publish journals & periodicals
  Mortgage: Number of Charges:	( 0 outstanding / 0 part satisfied / 0 satisfied)
  Previous Names
  No previous name information has been recorded over the last 20 years.
  Key Filing Dates
  Accounting Reference Date:	31/08
  Last Accounts Made Up To:	31/08/2003 (FULL)
  Next Accounts Due:	30/06/2005
  Last Return Made Up To:	08/10/2004
  Next Return Due:	05/11/2005
  Last Bulk Shareholders List:	Not available

  Current Appointments

  Number of current appointments: 5

  SECRETARY:	CRUSE, THOMAS PAUL
  Appointed:	08/10/1999	Date of Birth: 19/06/1954
  Nationality:	BRITISH
  No. of Company appointments:	3
  Address:	WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY
  	THE RIDGEWAY
  	LONDON
  	NW7 1RN

  DIRECTOR:	DOWSON, JACK
  Appointed:	08/10/1999	Date of Birth: 30/01/1934
  Nationality:	BRITISH
  No. of Company appointments:	2
  Address:	WATCH TOWER HOUSE THE RIDGEWAY
  	LONDON
  	NW7 1RN

  DIRECTOR:	DRAGE, RONALD
  Appointed:	08/10/1999	Date of Birth: 12/11/1928
  Nationality:	BRITISH
  No. of Company appointments:	2
  Address:	WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY
  	THE RIDGEWAY
  	LONDON
  	NW7 1RN

  DIRECTOR:	ELLIS, PETER
  Appointed:	08/10/1999	Date of Birth: 11/10/1922
  Nationality:	BRITISH
  No. of Company appointments:	2
  Address:	WATCH TOWER HOUSE THE RIDGEWAY
  	LONDON
  	NW7 1RN

  DIRECTOR:	VIGO, BEVAN JOHN
  Appointed:	08/10/1999	Date of Birth: 02/01/1938
  Nationality:	BRITISH
  No. of Company appointments:	1
  Address:	WATCHTOWER HOUSE
  	THE RIDGEWAY
  	LONDON
  	NW7 1RN

  This Report excludes resignations

  Recent Filing History

  Documents filed since 10/05/2003

  DATE	FORM	DESCRIPTION
  19/10/2004	363s	ANNUAL RETURN MADE UP TO 08/10/04
  03/06/2004	AA	FULL ACCOUNTS MADE UP TO 31/08/03
  18/10/2003	363s	ANNUAL RETURN MADE UP TO 08/10/03
  10/05/2003	AA	FULL ACCOUNTS MADE UP TO 31/08/02
  This Report excludes 88(2) Share Allotment documents
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  Newcastle / Gateshead Area

  by Jim Dee in

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  anyone here from the newcastle/gateshead area?

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  Anyone here from the newcastle/gateshead area? Jim